[sarahk]

I'm sickened by the family that have rallied round to protect the killer of the Auckland twins.

I can't imagine supporting the murderer and not the parents of the dead babies.

What would you do?

[kall]

I agree. It is totally sickening.

How many times have we heard it before though?

Lillybing and the whole horrible list of children murdered by their parents, and the relevant Whanau rallying around with a cone of silence to protect the scumbags.

[ToxiouS]

It just encourages racism IMO

[sarahk]

Somehow I don't think racial equality is high on their list of priorities at a time like this.

[Sparklechick]

It disgusts me. People are trying to turn this into a racial thing. It's not. It's about a family protecting a murderer or murderers. They just happen to be maori but they are using their culture to protect themselves from the law. They've said they won't help the police out until after the tangi. Well any other culture would probably have been dragged into central police station and questioned. Why are we letting these people have their tangi etc when one of them caused this murder?

[Neophis]

It amazes me, that in this day and age, the police can still sit there and do nothing until they feel that they family has mourned. 2 dead babies, someone murdered them ... isin't that enough cause to go in and arrest someone.

[busyness53]

Yes i think the parents are at fault no matter who had the twins, they were only 2mths old and prem. to boot.
Murder is Murder no matter which way u look at it THIS was Murder.
The Police should not have had to stand down until the tangi was over they should have moved in and removed or questioned the family as soon as the coroners report came in or the doctors. It is not a racial issue i agree, however, this incident does not help Maori, it also does nothing for the people who are on benefits. The whanau of the twins are taking a easy way out hopefully justice will prevail.

[Lina]

I am disgusted by the actions of this 'Family'.
For me, the photo of the parents on the front page of the paper said it all. Blank faces who obvoiusly would rather be anywhere but there.

What kind of a country are we turning into when it's obviously one set of rules for one set of people, and other rules for the rest?

Disgusting.

[homegrl]

I agree with all the above...Murder is Murder!
Being a Maori myself...I dont understand why they should wait till after the tangi to question the family. Why should the person who mudered the children mourn for them??? Just doesnt make sense to me!

[redfiredragon67]

Yeah... it doesn't make any sense to me either. I strongly disagree with the way the police are handling these murders. It's just not right.

[sarahk]

Yep, I'd like to see some action on this one! Obstructing police or something - make 'em squeal.

[busyness53]

racism has nothing to do with this subject its about some maori/islanders trying to use their race as a scapegoat, my opinion is they all should be arrested for this crime. If the Police cannot agree as to who is guilty arrest both sides. I feel sorry for the Police being in situation like this but hey they are the law.

[sarahk]

in the print version of todays NZ Herald they warned people hiding Fenton, the man who killed his 17 year old girl friend, that they could be charged with assisting him.

Noticeably removed from the online version: New Zealand Herald - Dead teenage girl beaten for one-and-a-half hours, police say - Tuesday 29, August 2006 17:45.00 PM

so, you can "hide" the truth when babies die, but not adults?

[busyness53]

Yeah unfair,

[tarnz1965]

i would never protect a family member who murdered someone. i would encourage them to give themselves up first and if they didn't i would dob them in.

[tazjet]

Families covering up ?
Huh!
In this country CYFS, Police and Family Court judges cover up for mothers who beat kids. I know because mine was.

In particular Chief Family Court judge Peter Boshier and Family Court judge Geoff Ellis are personally familiar with this case. Ellis J refused to hear the evidence and the law permits a family court judge to disregard any evidence they don't wish to hear.

My ex beat my son when he was a year and a half old baby. Gave him a black eye whilst I was at work. She said it was just an accident and that he fell over. Two weeks later (September 2001) she awoke at 4 am to our son crying because his nappies were wet. She yelled at him to shut his effing face and slapped him over the temple. He was just a baby.

On the day he got a black eye he was knocked unconscious and refused medical attention. I know this because half an hour after it happened my mother arrived to find him unconscious and took him to a doctor. The child's mother would not allow him to be taken to hospital.

CYFS refused to investigate. Police told me it was a civil matter... not a criminal matter and refused to investigate. I had a witness present at the Police station and the Police complaints Authority had the insolence to tell me the Police never said that. CYFS denied I ever complained to them. Then I produced a tape recording of the telephone call to prove it. The Family court refused to hear the evidence and struck it out.

It took me 11 months of incessant complaints to The Ministers for CYFS and for Police, to the commissioner for police, the Ombudsman and the commissioner for children plus the Attourney General.

Finally someone asked the Police to investigate almost a year later. Police and CYFS made a joint investigation before telling the Family Court there was no evidence. They never interviewed me nor my mother.

Finally in 2007 i have had a chance to read the CYFS file. It proves that CYFS lied to the Court because the social worker clearly records the mother admitted to hitting our son.

On the recommendations of the same CYFS social workers who lied to the Family Court, my ex wife was granted custody. Now I struggle even to get access.

Family Court Judge Geoff Ellis has issued judicial minutes refusing to read my evidence of child abuse by his mother as recent as 2006.

You people don't know what you're talking about because you haven't lived through the nightmare that I have. In this country the Family Court and CYFS operate a gender bias in favour of mothers and even cover up evidence of child abuse to protect mothers.

Judge Ellis J also refused to study expert medical evidence that the mother of my son suffers a dangerous paranoid psychosis as a side effect of high doses of the steroid Prednisone for her asthma.

This country has the most dreadful statistics in the developed world for violence against children because the social agencies concerned view it as a gender issue and not as a child protection issue.

CYFS, Police and the Family Court conceal violence against children here and that is why our kids die from domestic violence.

-the voice of personal experience

PS in my case I am non Maori and my ex is Maori. She demand that she have Maori social workers who covered up her violence against our son. I was denounced as a racist which I not only refute, but also point out had diddley squat to do with my son being beaten up. Yes people do hide behind race in this country and no it is no unreasonable to complain about Maoridom using race issues to disguise violence issues or deflect issues.

In my personal experience the people who most abuse racism are often those who cry wolf...

[tarnz1965]

my ex parents abused me. my ex mother witnessed some terrible abuse by my ex father and she lies about it to this day. all their kids are munted but grown up now. i am the only one in the family that ever stood up to them. and guess what? these ex parents of mine have custody of 2 of their granchildren. i told cypfs twice what they are like but cypfs say i don't have enough evidence, even though my own daughter told them about my ex father walking into the bathroom when she was having a shower at their place when she was 13 years old - she was terrified. i always used to think they just picked on me because of some personal flaw i had but i was dead wrong. that was 8 years ago. i haven't seen them for 8 years, life is great without them.

[NNY]

Unfortunately even the children that do get uplifted only move on to worse places, I had a partner working for barnardos and my mother works for sips. As far as i can tell both these organisations are completely worthless I've seen record of young children being moved from foster home to foster home up to 46 times in a year, often there are reports of abuse by the new caregivers.

the next problem is under current law it is very hard to prove abuse in cases when the child can not speak for themselves. The social workers in this country are under paid, under trained and under educated. sips runs about as efficently as winz and baranados is made up largely of volunteers, both these organsiations struggle to retain staff.
The only alternatives are places like the nest, but these organisations assist by push religious morals which can be more destructive.

[bonzdee]

Some people think when they commit crimes that it goes unseen by human eyes and in most cases they do, but they seem to forget that there is one person who sees all things and thats God.

Since the beginning of time God has seen the acts of people all over the earth weather it's rape, murder, pedophilia, or robbery, more crime that we could ever imagine he has seen, and what do you think he feels when he sees all this from his own creations he created?, hurt in his heart thats what. Yet the crucial thing is though, does the person regret what they have done and repented to God of it and will never do it again. Remember it is God we must seek forgiveness from to be cleansed of that sin. To seek forgiveness from the family that they have done that to is practically impossible and God knows this, hence his statement "freely forgive one another as I have forgiven you" if that feat is to hard for you to overcome, there is no everlasting life in you, for those who do forgive inherit everlasting life.

Do you forget the prayer jesus gave us to say to the heavenly father? "Forgive us of our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us"

Today to many people think they are just being judged by mans goverment system, little do they know that they are gonna be judged for the same act but by Gods goverment for that same deed and this time the judgment when found guilty is death.

And ultimately justice will be served as God says "Vengeance Is Mine" and very true, for all those that have lost loved ones to man slayers will get justice, but justice will be served by the ultimate judge of all Gods son Jesus Christ. Now we saw how forgiving the christ was when he was on earth and at the time he was being crucified, was not one of the men next to him a murderer? Yet at that point in time the murderer asked for forgiveness from the son of God and what was jesus reply?, "Truly I say to you, you will be with me in paradise" how loving is that for the son of God to forgive a murderer and yet for humans to display the same quality is far of from most of us.

We all must make sure that when judgment day is upon us, that we are on the right side and not part of the one's being judged, even if that requires forgiving those that have killed your loved ones, for if you cannot forgive, how do you expect your heavenly father to forgive you of your sins if you can't forgive others of theirs.

Sorry to go all biblical on your ass, but it seems more and more logical these days to apply biblical principles, because nothing else in this world is working.

So I'm not saying I will protect, but I would have to forgive so as to relieve the pain it has caused and to await the resurrection of all in the graves and in the seas.

[sarahk]

Assuming, of course, that your version of God is anything like the reality. Personally I think that when the lights go out that's it. To each his own.

It will be interesting with Chris Kahui (the accused) finding God (the christian variety) to see if he becomes more honest and upfront with police and a) plead guilty; or b) tell the truth about who really did it.