[nih]

I hope none of you get too upset over my topic choice, stance and response, but the NZ Herald exists to wind me up.

Now I'm not racist. I have a diverse mix of both friends and ancestry that I take a delight in. I'm you're basic mutt human in both social and genetic measures, so you know I'm not being ethno-partisan when I say I would richly like to kick some Maori ass.

I tend to look down on extremist ways of life or belief, although I recognise at some point we all have to be extreme about something. So apart from the enduring fact that I am extremely cute, this can be my other extreme feature: if a miscreant threatens to make my streets run with blood I will warmly offer said miscreant the chance to Bring It On.

Less than 10% of the population is Maori. So perceived fairness and past issues aside, if some of the above ethnic tidying took place it wouldn't be the Europeans getting the bottlebrush of war shoved up their asses. Quite the reverse. There are probably more of those idiot National Front retards than there are Maori, and the NF dorks are better trained.

So in summary: Dear Helen Clark. Please don't hold them back. The Maori activist groups are big kids now and want a fair go at it. The rest of New Zealand is tired of hearing about it and sincerely promises they'll never, ever get a second shot at it.

[arnie_chitlinegger]

It baffles me that most every time these activist get uppity they promise that violence will ensue.It's the same tactics as primary school "Givus that iceblock bro or I'll beat you up",only the playing field is a bit different.

Personally I believe that general threats of violence against the greater public should be treated as threatening terrorism and treated as such.

[nih]

Sadly we're not the US and we realise that they're just calling names and threats they'll never follow through on.

[kall]

*wipes tears from eyes*

My, that was a good read.

Now for the herald article.

Right. Read.

Fuckers!

Ngati Kahu hmm? Blocking access to MY beaches?!

When I say 'my' I refer to the fact that I visited those beaches from Doubtless Bay (Mangonui harbour/taipa) through to Karikari EVERY SINGLE summer of my childhood...as did my friends and their families and their grandparents.

I call that 'customary right'.

I also call one Kiwi preventing another Kiwi from access to the beach a dirty, greedy fucker, and not a Kiwi at all.

[nih]

I fully agree with you Kall, your important bits of heritage start with your memories, not what you want to believe your forebears owned. Selfish possession is such an ugly emotion.

[arnie_chitlinegger]

Thats the part of all this that I fail to understand,the basic premise that Maori of the past tried to aspire to....they are "of" the land and not owners of the land.Yet a $ value gets applied to a said piece of land and sections purporting to represent Maori are sitting with their hands out.In saying this I am in no way begrudging past and possibly future TOW payouts,but the credibility(sp) of all claims are going to be scutinised when uppity idiots with too much time on their hands start claiming beaches,airwaves and air space solely for financial gain.

[nih]

Don't get me started on people claiming their ancestral radio spectrum rights.

[kall]

We cross now live to NASA HQ -

Private - "Sir, this invoice arrived...some tribespeople in somewhere called Tow Paw claim we owe them some 5 million dollars for passing satellites over their property"

General - 'Heh. Pfft.'

[Sparklechick]

They are just greedy that's all there is to it.

My family came over in 1864 - I believe that I am just as entitled to roam the beaches freely as the Maori are.

BRING IT ON

[nih]

Happy 150-years-in-NZ Sparklechick.

[shakmak]

happy conspiracy...

[nih]

The SIS is watching you.

[Penny]

Originally Posted by nih

The SIS is watching you.

haha I heard on the raidio they say "SIS spyed on INNOCENT maori"

then I found out it was Ken Mair, and Tama Iti or whoever, and Tama Iti isn't exactly innocent, he went over to Fiji to talk to that George Speight person.

[busyness53]

OH to be young and know what it is like consider this, if you did not speak my tongue and i offered you an axe and blanket for your house and land what would you do, then if you were told to sign something which was translated as something which would benefit everyone, then when signed you were told now this land belongs to me. Although as you all say that was 150 years ago. Then i hope you all realise we were governed from good
old Australia at that time, where the English sent their prisoners. Hpwever i do agree the talk about the activist but there are some real good maori out there.

[kall]

Originally Posted by busyness53

OH to be young and know what it is like consider this, if you did not speak my tongue and i offered you an axe and blanket for your house and land what would you do, then if you were told to sign something which was translated as something which would benefit everyone, then when signed you were told now this land belongs to me. Although as you all say that was 150 years ago. Then i hope you all realise we were governed from good
old Australia at that time, where the English sent their prisoners. Hpwever i do agree the talk about the activist but there are some real good maori out there.

I totally agree. I have known MANY amazing people who happened to be Maori. It's not the Race, it's the greediness that I personally have an issue with.

As I said earlier in this post, any Kiwi who denies others access to a public beach is no Kiwi in my eyes.

Note that I say Public. I'll define this as "Somewhere that, until the last year or so, was used by members of the public to freely go to and from the beach".

I don't advocate allowing truckloads of people through your property, only to have them defile it with their rubbish. By all means, stick up a gate and lock it and keep the dirty pricks out...or set up a toll situation where the monies pay for the cleanup.