[Penny]

This stems from a conversation this morning, it very quickly went from being serious to the depths of ridiculous and never returning.

What do you believe? Do you believe there is other living beings of some description (call them aliens if you like) someone else in the universe?

I am a maybe. Who knows, will we ever know??

[NiteFenix]

I'm an Alien. Do you believe now? :P

[Penny]

Originally Posted by NiteFenix

I'm an Alien. Do you believe now? :P

umm well Mr Fenix the jury is still out on that one

[NiteFenix]

lol ok.

Well quite honestly, I watch all these movies and read the books but I've never seen concrete proof with my own eyes so I would also fall under the maybe. However, the idea that there may be life out there is intrueging and I do believe it's possible so I did answer yes.

There's this huge universe, why just us?

[Darkling]

I'm a subscriber to the school of thought that says we are all essentially aliens as we are not native to the Earth.

The theory is that what developed into life on Earth arrived carried aboard an asteroid which struck the Earth and seeded the primordial ooze.

[NiteFenix]

I've heard another similiar theory that the earth was once a prison colony for an alien race, so essentially we are the bad apples of a more pure race.

[Darkling]

Originally Posted by NiteFenix

I've heard another similiar theory that the earth was once a prison colony for an alien race, so essentially we are the bad apples of a more pure race.

I think you're talking about NZ's noisy neighbor there.

[NiteFenix]

lol Darkling.

Hey speaking about theories and such, have any of you seen www.davidicke.com before?

[Sparklechick]

I vote YES.

I have talked to several people who have seen UFOs in the sky and these are people who wouldn't make something like that up.

I definitely think that if we are here, then there must be others out there.

[edshuck]

I think there are two items of investigation that will prove useful in answering the question.

First is DNA. I read, and I do not recall the exact number, that all DNA plant or animal is over 90% exactly the same.

Suppose some DNA traveled on a rock from space. Some odd combination exists that allows the "reactivation" of the DNA and variants form.

Then there is thread theory. That gets deep, quick. But it is about among other things, parallel universes. if there is a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th dimension. Why not more?

Reply to some of the above. Maybe we are on a petri dish and the aliens are timing us til we are out of food or die in our own waste.

[kiwi_dude]

I believe i can flyyyyyyy
i believe i can touch the skyyyyy

[Penny]

Originally Posted by kiwi_dude

I believe i can flyyyyyyy
i believe i can touch the skyyyyy

[MarkyBear]

I did for a long time, but I don't anymore, due to religous beliefs...

Here's a copy-paste of what someone mentioned on another board, to a similar topic...Basicaly saying that life does/could exist, but the chances of visits to us from them, where beyond remote...

Quote:

I've been a recreational astronomer for about 30 years and this is a question that gets asked a lot.

The question isn't really 'is there life in elsewhere in the universe', because given an infinite universe, life at some level is a mathematical certainty.

The question is " how close is the nearest civilization with the technological ability to communicate/meet with us?'

The answer to that lies in what is known as the "Green Banks equation"

In the Green Banks equation you take all the know variables for the advent and advancement of intelligent life (rate of star formation, percentage of those stars with planets, percentage of those planets forming in the life zone, etc...) total them up and the equation will give you the total number of intelligent civilizations (comperable to ours) per square parsec of space.

Although there is still a good deal of argument going on relative to the exact values to place on some of the variables, the latest current opinion is that there is one civilization, comperable to ours, per 2.5 galaxies the size of the milky way.

This means that given the average distribution of galaxies in the universe, the closest civilizaton to us should be tens of millions of light years away.

And keeping in mind that the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit in the universe, even if there were any one else out there, they would have had to leave home during the time of the dinosaurs to be reaching us now.

So short answer is yes there probably is life out there, but the odds of them reaching us is so small as to be unimaginable.

Regarding aliens visiting us:

I find this to be a virual impossibility due to the distance involved.

Maybe this will help. There is a visualization tool called the Cosmological Distance Ladder.

The distances used in astronony are really hard to imagine. As big as a light year is what does it really mean? It's about 6 trillion miles but to most people that's just a number.

Try this: the distance between the earth and the sun (93 million miles or about 8 light minutes) is sometimes called and Astronomical Unit or AU for short. By coincidence the number of inches in a mile and the number of AUs in a light year are fairly close so if you made a model of the galaxy and placed the earth one inch away from the sun the next nearest star would be about 4 1/2 miles away. And that's the closest one.

Even using this model, just our own galaxy would stretch 4 earth diameters, and the next closest galaxy (the magellanic clouds) would be about 10 times that distance.

There is just no way that ANY technology can surmount the problem of intergalactic travel due to light speed limitations.

End Quote...

Some of that went over my head, but from what I could make out of it, does sound like commen sense...

[edshuck]

You mention religion. Therefore, I conclude that you belive in GOD.

So do I.

I do not belive that GOD would have any concern about time or space or distance. Since these are the frames of reference I have to visualize with, GOD, while not beyond my ability to imagine, is beyond my ability to quantify.

Using my limited tools, I can imagine without knowing.

There is a site called APOD that provides great wonderment for me. Do a quick search on google and take a look.

I was misreading some of your quote when I wrote the above. Threads would be the search item.

Peace

[MarkyBear]

Originally Posted by edshuck

You mention religion. Therefore, I conclude that you belive in GOD.

So do I.

I do not belive that GOD would have any concern about time or space or distance. Since these are the frames of reference I have to visualize with, GOD, while not beyond my ability to imagine, is beyond my ability to quantify.

Using my limited tools, I can imagine without knowing.

There is a site called APOD that provides great wonderment for me. Do a quick search on google and take a look.

I was misreading some of your quote when I wrote the above. Threads would be the search item.

Peace

Yes, I do believe in God, I am a Christian(struggling one, but still am, LOL)...

To me, I go by what's in the bible and that's it, life outside of earth, other than the spiritual realm, I have not come across, yet...I agree, God has no concerns for time/space/travel...ect I do believe he is omnipresence, so none of that matters to him, like you said...

Thanx for the link, if it was to pictures, they were incredible!!! Looks like the heavens to me...I couldn't find a site called APOD, but a APOD-Google search did bring me to the Asrology Pictures Of the Day...Again, some incredible pics, thanx...


To anyone else, sorry if anyone is offended by what I wrote, it's just my belief and IMHO...I was just giving reasons for what I believe or in this case, don't believe...


~Peace

[edshuck]

Glad you found it.

APOD is the Astronomy Picture Of the Day.

At the top left of the picture is the archive.

Just below the photo is the description of the photo and links.

At the far bottom of the page is all kinds of added information.

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As far as religious sects, I am not going there.

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Don't forget to vote in the poll.

If the universe is as big as we're lead to believe then I doubt we can be the only forms of life in it. It's quite possible that we're the most advanced and that's why we haven't actually seen other life forms, but that's unlikely too imo.

[NiteFenix]

The guy you quoted sure knows what he is talking about MarkyBear. I'm not on his level but I have a good idea of what he was talking about. It'd be interesting to have a living room conversation with him.

Have any of you visited the David Icke web site i posted about?

[edshuck]

Originally Posted by MarkyBear

There is just no way that ANY technology can surmount the problem of intergalactic travel due to light speed limitations.
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I have a problem with his statement.

There is only one certainty and that is the uncertainty of change. It will occur but we cannot be certain of where or when or in what dimension.

[MarkyBear]

Originally Posted by edshuck

Glad you found it.

APOD is the Astronomy Picture Of the Day.

At the top left of the picture is the archive.

Just below the photo is the description of the photo and links.

At the far bottom of the page is all kinds of added information.

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As far as religious sects, I am not going there.

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Don't forget to vote in the poll.

Yeah those pics were tight, thanx again...I'll have to go back and check out the archives now...

Don't blame for not 'going there' in regards to religous sects...That's the never ending debate ala creation vs. evolution...LOL

Originally Posted by NiteFenix

The guy you quoted sure knows what he is talking about MarkyBear. I'm not on his level but I have a good idea of what he was talking about. It'd be interesting to have a living room conversation with him.

Have any of you visited the David Icke web site i posted about?

Yeah he does...I admin'd at that place and i'd always see him come on, in stealth mode, but NEVER post, always reading...Then outta no where, he'd post something like that...I'm not on his level either, in regards to this/topic and probaly anything else he's educated at...But like you, i'd just love to sit, listen and learn...

I haven't visited that site yet, but will later today...