[edshuck]

The CIA may, just may have messed up.

Tommorows news will have a bit about Iran being behind the 9/11 attack.

What a mess!!! Talk about the gang who could not shoot straight!!!

[NiteFenix]

Fill us in in the mean time please Ed.

[edshuck]

Oh, lordy lordy, it seems we have attacked the wrong folks.

This is a copy/paste from my site. There is an article in the San Franciso Chronicle about it

affirm To declare or state positively; assert and maintain to be true

confirm To assure the validity of; verify.

So, why this. "Bush affirms study of Iran-al Qaeda ties" was the page 3 article.

What do we know.

1. al Qaeda did the WTC destruction. and the pentagon damage and crashed the plane into an empty field in Pennsylvania.

2. Cholaby (spelling) was the primary source for the WMD info leading to the invasion of Iraq.

3. Cholaby is now confirmed to be an agent of Iran.

4. The US has not the forces to attack Iran.

5. In January there will be free elections in Iraq.

6. An Iranian leaning fundamentalist is expected to win.

7. Iran don't like the US.

So, to sum up the Bush administration with a page from my Okie phrase book. "Bush has burned the outhouse without considerig indoor plumbing".

note: Being an Okie, through and through, I can claim this without slamming anyone.

[Penny]

You know if it is all true then it is sad that they rushed into it, but at the same time rather good that some people suspicions are proved correct.

However that is just a bullet list of info, you can't trust their source of info any more than you can trust George W. Bush's. Its a tricky one, becuase neither side is *ever* going to let you know all of the information they know.

[NiteFenix]

Well Big G did do us all a favor by removing a well known human rights violator from the picture. So let's be thankful for that, even though we know that his reasons for entering the country and declaring war on it, was not exactly a legitimate reason.

However, and take note, his attack on Afghanistan was primarily, and I can't stress this enough, just a flouse to try and get Osama Bin Laden. He discovered that the government was an oppresive one and used that as a gimmick to try and gain favor from the American people and possibly even the world. So, I think Bush, in all his relentless killing campaigns, did it all purely out of feral instinct. Swinging the sword while blinded, so to say.

[Penny]

ummm I always thought that they attacked Afghanistan because of Osama Bin Laden, and the fact that it may have helped (not sure if that really happened as a result) fight the oppresive government was a good by product. I dont listen enough obviously!

[edshuck]

Oh, yes penny, the information is out and with sources.

I have said that the one thing the administration does not want is a live and kicking Sadaam on the stand. Well, the Vatican envoy confirms that Sadaam and company were offering to leave Iraq before the war but the Bush administration turned them down.

At every turn, there is more duplicity by the administration. There are parts we do not know and will never know.

But the sheer audacity of condeming Bill Clinton for having sex with monica and applauding Bush for a needless war is way out.

One of our buddies in the region runs one of the former SSRs and his claim to fame is that he boils his political enemies. Is this some "Cleanliness is next to godliness" thing.

There is a chance he will be gone after the election.

[trogg]

Hmmmm.... I have to wonder about the actual location of the mysterious Osama Bin Laden, maybe he is sharing a cave with the boggy man and the easter bunny. Well, it was possible to find Sadam with the reward offered but Osama is still at large.

One thing that the mainstream media were not interested in reporting at the time of the attacks on Afghanistan was that there were stalled negotiations under way with the Teliban over the construction of an oil pipeline from the central asia former soviet states and a deep water port in Parkistan. This ment that the route would take it via Iran or Afghanistan and with the political situation in Iran that wasn't an option.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2017044.stm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

http://www.worldpress.org/specials/p...e_timeline.htm

Originally Posted by edshuck

What do we know.

1. al Qaeda did the WTC destruction. and the pentagon damage and crashed the plane into an empty field in Pennsylvania.

Thanks for the 'heads-up" Ed, we had the news the next day in small print in our newspapers.

However, I have to question one of the points you have raised regarding the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon.

One major thing we have NOT seen in any of the photographs of the Pentagon burning is any aircraft wreckage.
Kiwis had a major tradedy when an Air New Zealand DC-10 crashed into the side of Mt. Erebus (in Antarctica) while on a sightseeing flight in November 1979 where all 237 passengers and 20 crew were killed.
The most memorable pictures of the crash site are the tail section complete with engine and the emblem still visable and parts of the fuselage still recognisable.
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/.../erebus-6.html
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w791128.htm

Anyway, my point is that perhaps we are being told something other than the complete truth (with supporting evidence) about the cause of the damage to the Pentagon. Basically the hole is too small and not deep enough into the building given the speed and size of the aircraft and the lack of wreckage.
The site in this link (which is one of many asking similar questions) shows the relative scales of the hole and the aircraft size. And something smells fishy
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Remember, if you tell the same lie often enough it can become the truth.

[Penny]

ohhhh I smell the blood of a NASA moon - mission...all the gaps in the stories sounds far to similar...

[trogg]

Originally Posted by Penny

ohhhh I smell the blood of a NASA moon - mission...all the gaps in the stories sounds far to similar...

If you want an interesting old conspiracy movie to watch then check out 'Capricorn One' next time it is on late night TV.
It is about a Mars mission that has the crew 'rescued' at the last moment before liftoff because of a fault with the life support system and then the resulting faking of the landing etc.
It helps raise the question that some (but not necessarily all) of the Apollo moon landings were staged because of what was found when they actually got there.

[KJM7]

Originally Posted by trogg

Hmmmm.... I have to wonder about the actual location of the mysterious Osama Bin Laden, maybe he is sharing a cave with the boggy man and the easter bunny. Well, it was possible to find Sadam with the reward offered but Osama is still at large.

One thing that the mainstream media were not interested in reporting at the time of the attacks on Afghanistan was that there were stalled negotiations under way with the Teliban over the construction of an oil pipeline from the central asia former soviet states and a deep water port in Parkistan. This ment that the route would take it via Iran or Afghanistan and with the political situation in Iran that wasn't an option.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2017044.stm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html

http://www.worldpress.org/specials/p...e_timeline.htm



Thanks for the 'heads-up" Ed, we had the news the next day in small print in our newspapers.

However, I have to question one of the points you have raised regarding the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon.

One major thing we have NOT seen in any of the photographs of the Pentagon burning is any aircraft wreckage.
Kiwis had a major tradedy when an Air New Zealand DC-10 crashed into the side of Mt. Erebus (in Antarctica) while on a sightseeing flight in November 1979 where all 237 passengers and 20 crew were killed.
The most memorable pictures of the crash site are the tail section complete with engine and the emblem still visable and parts of the fuselage still recognisable.
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/.../erebus-6.html
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/w791128.htm

Anyway, my point is that perhaps we are being told something other than the complete truth (with supporting evidence) about the cause of the damage to the Pentagon. Basically the hole is too small and not deep enough into the building given the speed and size of the aircraft and the lack of wreckage.
The site in this link (which is one of many asking similar questions) shows the relative scales of the hole and the aircraft size. And something smells fishy
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

Remember, if you tell the same lie often enough it can become the truth.

Very valid points gentlemen....thanks for the "ffod for thought"

[edshuck]

I wonder about that too. Could he be living in the Lincoln bedroom?

I do not recall the plane burining either. What gives?

The first thing mentioned in one of your documents is the Patriot Act. That is such a misnomer. Going to www.Rense.com and clicking on their Political Splash pages (right side, below the political cartoon).

Afganistan is presenting a whole new set of problems.

The street price of Heroin is down to 25 to 35 percent of the prewar price. So we are getting a new bunch of addicts.

As Vietnam provided a bumper crop of heroin from the golden triangle, the Afgan war is providing a bumper crop.

http://www.public-action.com/911/noradsend2.html

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The Tonkin Gulf story is not out, oh well.

the following is from the link below.

Every time we get tough with the central american countries the price of Cocaine goes down. The CIA has been shown to have had its hand in moving some of the Columbian product. And Air America did a similar service in Laos. Are we paying for the transhipment from Afganistan?

However, witnesses in Pennsylvania on September 11 reported seeing a military jet near Flight 93 and burning debris falling from the sky. During September 11 TV coverage, Flight 93 was reported to have been shot down by a military jet (more below.)

[trogg]

I found what I was looking for the other day... information about the spin off series from the X-Files called The Lone Gunmen (yes, lone as in singular but plural men).

In NZ we never got to watch the pilot #1 episode because of its content as it went to air after "the events of September 11".

The plot was that a commercial airliner had been hijacked and was going to be crashed into the World Trade Centre with the X-Files type of twist being that the plane was being remotely controlled. Some might consider this in bad taste given "the events of September 11" but there is a slight problem with that theory... the pilot episode went to air (in the USA) on March 4 2001... six months BEFORE "the events of September 11"

Here is a link for more of the plot line etc http://home.earthlink.net/~killtown/lonegunmen.html

The plane is closing rapidly on the WTC North Tower. The pilots struggle vainly to override the remote control signal, while Langly struggles to decrypt it. Frohike has gone to plead with Yves, who has the "Octium" chip stolen at the opening of the episode. After he threatens to divulge her true identity (her full name is an anagram of "Lee Harvey Oswald", though it is never clear what this implies) she agrees to patch in with her superchip and help them decrypt the signal. Somehow magically joining forces with Langley in the few seconds remaining (Maryland must have really good DSL connections) remote control is defeated in a predictable but nicely-done CGI near miss.

WEIRD

I have found somewhere to download the entire episode, now I just need to make space on my drive for it http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_ht..._Episode_1.htm

[edshuck]

I think it is fine. No, better than fine. Excellent. The people who died in WTC deserve to have answers. A single answer would be nice but probably wrong.

I have a friend who belives the remote control.

I do not know. I do know that the Tonkin Gulf was a lie and not the lie it is currently thought to be.

[Penny]

Hey, I am just resurecting this, only becuase someone sent me this link... its pretty much like the other links, only in pretty flash.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~sperna/omgkool.swf