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Originally Posted by NNY  [i]i also disagree that we know the fundamentals between right and wrong we have to be taught them they are not instinctive (eg; children who are abused their entire childhood often repeat the abusive behaviour they were taught by their abuser, in their adult lives). For years white people believed that racism was perfectly fine, women continue to struggle for equal rights nations, hatians believe that sex with a child will cure them of aids, the Aztecs sacrificed many many people to their gods they even hunted other tribes just for sport. right and wrong are not instinctive at all, the society we are conditioned to defines our perception of whats is right and wrong. |
I believe thats called ignorance not knowing between right and wrong. It maybe a common fact that abused people, repeat the abuse to others but is not a proven fact, and what you describe above on what people do to one another is plain and simple, they chose to do that, it is very distinctive, have you ever seen two toddlers when they fight over a toy and one wins over the other and the one who loses the toy cries? ain't that showing that we already know injustice, now when the other toddler sees the other one cry and gives the toy back, does that not show compassion? when the other who was crying receives that toy back, that child becomes happy again, the other puts his arm over the one that was crying in a gesture, as if saying forgive me. Now that is not learnt that is built in.
I really don't know what issue your trying to put forth here, as from your comments above I boil them all down to ignorance not God, although done in the name of God, but their are many gods and Aztecs had their own gods, just like Maoris had their own gods and just like Egyptians had their own gods and just like Israel with their own one God not gods, and yet from out of all the gods that have been through out entire history it is the God of Israel with the most logical laws for mankind. Yet one law or one commandment could of solved all that you mentioned above about killing, laid out in plain and simple terms given by God to moses on mount senai all those centuries ago a God that did not want us to kill each other and that was quoted by God himself "Donot Commit Murder" and yet thats just one of many loving laws he laid down for our benefit, a God who tells us to keep loving our parents, a God who encourages employers not to cheat their employees out of their wages, give their workers their worth, a God who laid down that if a thief was caught not to put him to death but to make him work and pay back his debt to the person and give his hands something to do, and after the debt was paid back to start paying him a wage, over 600 laws where given by God some of them very strict which did involve being put to death if it was broken.
For me the choice is clear of a God in which I would follow. It is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who's name later was changed to Israel, that God being Jehovah. I love the laws he laid down which is now intertwined into 2 laws given to us by his son jesus christ the 1st being: "You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, soul and mind" the 2nd being: "And you must love your neighbor as yourself" it's really plain and simple, if you love your neighbor you would not kill them, steal from them, covet his wife or belongings, be jealous over them or what they have. Laws I govern my life by daily, I do not walk around in society thinking ill things of anyone, why because of one simple fact "God Hates That" so the question is, what kinda God would you choose to follow if you had a choice.
I could go on and on, but time is of the essence for me at the moment, look forward to your comments.