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Originally Posted by NNY  sorry man, but religious mumbo jumbo doesnt apply when we are talking about the laws and crimes of man because we dont all believe in the same god and alot of us (like myself) dont believe in god at all. religious institutions were setup in ancient times because the governments of that era did not have the ability to enforce law this worked well when man was god fearing, but we are not god fearing anymore so "bibical prinpicals" are worthless in our modern society.
I might also point out that christain fundamentalists have in the past been notrious for crimes againist children and women.
However this is just my point of view. knowledge is power so discover the facts and make your own informed opinion heres a few examples www.necronomi.com/magic/satanism/ccabuse.txt
ttp://tvnz.co. nz/view/tvone_minisite_story_skin/1031908]Archive: Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline) Amendment Bill | TAGATA PASIFIKA | TV ONE | tvnz.co. nz[/url]
I remember a few New Zealand examples but i cant find referance for them so i wont cite them |
Yup great link so what is the solution? is it the man, or is it the teachings of the bible causing these certain men to be like that, you seem to have condemned all Christian groups as being like that, it's a fact a lot of crimes have been done in the name of God and by religious groups for thousands of years , but was it through the teachings in the bible these men committed these crimes against children or society? Did God approve of this disgusting things happening from so called christian groups in todays society, do you really understand the statement or even know of the statement made by christ when he indicated that not all churches will give good fruit.
He indicated that there will be some churches among you who will not produce good fruit from their churches, the example is taken from a fruit tree, we all know that a good tree gives of good fruit, and so it flourishes and nourishes everyone within that congregation, meaning the teaching and upholding of bible principles is of importance to every member of it. Hence the the church being the tree and the fruit being it's members, so that congregation is giving of good fruit. A good church cannot give of bad fruit.
But now you labeled all christian groups as being of the nature categorized under a bad tree letting of bad fruit, I do believe you were talking about a bad tree letting of bad fruit as indicated by the christ, now you and I know that some of the most horrific crimes caused in the name of Christianity for over thousands of years and are not new, well I assume you know, look at the bishops that supported hitler in his world domination escapade, what fruit tree do you think that bishop comes from, look at priest that bless troops before they go to war and ask favor from God to protect them in killing another human being, does that priest really think God is partial what tree is that priest from, look at all the catholic priest that molested boys in the orphanages, even look at groups that you think are not part of Christianity but will be surprised to see they use the bible as well like the muslims and al queda warring against america all in the name of allah, man I tell you, there is a lot of crime happening on the basis of religion, that we haven't even scratched the surface on, and yet going back the the tree example, they all come from the unfruitful tree, churches and religious groups who teach their congregation nothing and produce worthless fruit, the members them selves are still of the world. Hence the saying by the christ "a bad tree will not give of good fruit" and very true, is it because of the bible and it's teachings? NO!! it what those members are being taught my their churches, nothing of worth at all, because the only use certain passages in the bible which they think is enough to be saved, and forget about the bible in it's entirety and teach all whats in their.
And yes as christ indicated all those worthless trees producing worthless fruit is to be cut down and thrown in the fire, and thats even so called christian groups as well as other religious groups with no basis of righteous teachings
at all.
And I respect your point of view with not believing in God and I don't blame you with all the chaos that has be done in Gods name, kinda makes you wonder if there is a God and why does he let all this happen. But in my closing comment I must say, that he did give each and every one of us a will of our own, you see some people love committing acts of violence and crime and sexual crime, they thrive on it, get a kick out of it, some people can't sleep at night without by first causing some one tribulation or grief and then their sleep is peaceful. Truly I say to you, not every man or woman in our earth is of the seed of the father in the heavens and of righteousness, but are of the seed of the father of the lie Satan. Yes if there is 2 sorts of angels good angels and bad angels, then their is 2 sorts of mankind.